A few days ago, a colleague C invited a senior collaborator to visit N1 for a few days to discuss their research project. C had hoped that since the collaborator is a well known and senior researcher in their field, his presence would have a positive effect on their department and that the senior visitor would give them some input about department activities like their graduate program, which is being built from scratch.
The senior researcher, let's call him SR, agreed to visit N1 for two days. However, his visit totally belied C's expectations. All that SR had to offer was criticism and disdain. Some of his comments, at their best, could be interpreted as impatience with the newness of N1 and at their worst, as showing no faith in the future of N1.
After SR left, C was depressed for some time and doubted his decision to join N1.
But, he got over it soon and decided not to take SR's comments too seriously.
Perhaps, SR meant to offer constructive criticism, but it just came out the wrong way. Perhaps, this was SR's way of showing concern for C, for whom he wanted the very best. Or perhaps, SR is a jerk with an inflated opinion of himself, who could not appreciate the hospitality of a department which had invited him with a lot of goodwill. I do not know him well enough to decide.
SR is not unique in writing off N1 and I have met others with similar views about N1-type institutes. If I am in a good mood, I think, "Oh well. These people have got used to working in a certain environment and cannot imagine that people can adjust to and stay happy in environments different from theirs." If I am in a bad mood, I deplore their prejudice and lack of vision.[1]
Nonetheless, what concerns me is that by making disparaging comments, scientists like SR are possibly discouraging their PhD students and postdocs from applying to new institutes. This is not good for my department (and similar departments in other new institutes), who are trying very hard to hire and retain good people. This is also not good for those students and postdocs, who might only apply to limited institutes and restrict their options.
Perhaps, this is not as serious as I have made it out to be. I welcome feedback from readers.
For those of you who are planning to enter the job market or who already have a job(anywhere in the world), how important is/has been your supervisor/mentor's opinion about your potential employer to you?[2]
For my senior readers, did you or would you discourage your PhD student or postdoc from applying to a new institute?
If my PhD student ever approaches me for advice about choosing a job, I would say something along the lines of a comment made by Vijay, while answering a question raised in a previous post:
"Today, I would focus on joining a research institution or university, young or old, that is fun to be in and wants me. The two criteria, fun to be and one which wants you, appear simple but are not. If you manage such a place, you have it made and the equipment will take care of itself."
[1] I do so mentally, of course - I cannot imagine the consequences if I were to say that aloud.
[2] I consulted my PhD advisor before taking my final decision. I think I would have made this choice even if he did not have a great opinion of N1. However, his positive views were certainly very encouraging and meant a lot to me.
The senior researcher, let's call him SR, agreed to visit N1 for two days. However, his visit totally belied C's expectations. All that SR had to offer was criticism and disdain. Some of his comments, at their best, could be interpreted as impatience with the newness of N1 and at their worst, as showing no faith in the future of N1.
After SR left, C was depressed for some time and doubted his decision to join N1.
But, he got over it soon and decided not to take SR's comments too seriously.
Perhaps, SR meant to offer constructive criticism, but it just came out the wrong way. Perhaps, this was SR's way of showing concern for C, for whom he wanted the very best. Or perhaps, SR is a jerk with an inflated opinion of himself, who could not appreciate the hospitality of a department which had invited him with a lot of goodwill. I do not know him well enough to decide.
SR is not unique in writing off N1 and I have met others with similar views about N1-type institutes. If I am in a good mood, I think, "Oh well. These people have got used to working in a certain environment and cannot imagine that people can adjust to and stay happy in environments different from theirs." If I am in a bad mood, I deplore their prejudice and lack of vision.[1]
Nonetheless, what concerns me is that by making disparaging comments, scientists like SR are possibly discouraging their PhD students and postdocs from applying to new institutes. This is not good for my department (and similar departments in other new institutes), who are trying very hard to hire and retain good people. This is also not good for those students and postdocs, who might only apply to limited institutes and restrict their options.
Perhaps, this is not as serious as I have made it out to be. I welcome feedback from readers.
For those of you who are planning to enter the job market or who already have a job(anywhere in the world), how important is/has been your supervisor/mentor's opinion about your potential employer to you?[2]
For my senior readers, did you or would you discourage your PhD student or postdoc from applying to a new institute?
If my PhD student ever approaches me for advice about choosing a job, I would say something along the lines of a comment made by Vijay, while answering a question raised in a previous post:
"Today, I would focus on joining a research institution or university, young or old, that is fun to be in and wants me. The two criteria, fun to be and one which wants you, appear simple but are not. If you manage such a place, you have it made and the equipment will take care of itself."
[1] I do so mentally, of course - I cannot imagine the consequences if I were to say that aloud.
[2] I consulted my PhD advisor before taking my final decision. I think I would have made this choice even if he did not have a great opinion of N1. However, his positive views were certainly very encouraging and meant a lot to me.